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Frontpage Updated: Jul 5th, 2008 - 13:07:48 Turkey's AKP Party Defends Itself In Court News : World  -  NPR on Jul 5, 2008, 13:05 The ruling political party in Turkey fought for its survival in court Thursday. Read more...   Muslims feel like 'Jews of Europe' News : Europe  -  The Independent - UK on Jul 5, 2008, 13:03 Britain's first Muslim minister has attacked the growing culture of hostility against Muslims in the United Kingdom, saying that many feel targeted like "the Jews of Europe". Read more...   Pope faces lack of faith in Australia News : World  -  Yahoo News on Jul 5, 2008, 13:00 Australia is one of the least religious nations in the western world, research showed Friday, as the country prepares to host Pope Benedict XVI and Catholic World Youth Day celebrations this month. Read more...   Tough European plans on discrimination News : Europe  -  RNW on Jul 5, 2008, 12:56 The EU aims to forbid discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, religion, age and disability. Anti-discrimination rules have so far only been implemented in the workplace. Now, discrimination in issuing insurance policies, lending mortgages and renting homes is being tackled. Read more...   Iraq seeks ban on religious imagery in elections News : World  -  Los Angeles Times on Jul 5, 2008, 12:53 The government calls for parties to avoid using images of religious leaders. The proposed election law changes also include allowing voters to choose individuals rather than entire lists. Read more...   TV Bible by the Pope News : Europe  -  The Sun on Jul 5, 2008, 12:51 POPE Benedict is to become the first pontiff to read a chapter of the Bible on TV. Read more...   Christians challenge teaching of evolution News : World  -  Stuff.co.nz on Jul 5, 2008, 12:49 A Christian group promoting intelligent design theory over evolution has sent teaching material to schools that is religious propaganda and pseudoscience. Read more...   Does the Pope wear Prada? News : Europe  -  The Age on Jul 5, 2008, 12:47 Pope watchers have been put on notice that the Vatican does not take kindly to facile labels like "retro" or "vintage" when discussing the sartorial choices of Pope Benedict XVI. Read more...   Group Asks for Divine Intervention to Ease Oil Prices News : U.S.  -  CNSNews.com on Jul 5, 2008, 12:44 As the price of oil continues to rise, some are turning to God and prayer for an answer to their financial troubles. Read more...   Sharia law 'could have UK role' News : Europe  -  BBC News on Jul 5, 2008, 12:09 Principles of sharia law could play a role in some parts of the legal system, the Lord Chief Justice has said. Read more...   More Headlines Comic Latest Forum Posts the problem with materialism Posted by daedalus on July 06, 2008,08:10 in the Philosophy forum I just noticed this and am horrified. It is totally a typo. I apologize to anyone who was insulted. Slurs are not my bag. I abhor them. I will edit it if I can right now. edit: I can't edit it but sent an alert. Again, I am sorry if people were offended in any way. Thread Views: 938 , Thread Replies: 70 Some light entertainment Posted by bartonski on July 06, 2008,07:01 in the Miscellaneous forum The question to ask is "what would the other man (er, person, if you want to be gender neutral about it) say is the way home?". The truth-teller will point to the wrong way home because that is the answer that the liar would give. The liar will point to the wrong way home because it is the... Thread Views: 19 , Thread Replies: 1 Intel document left on train Posted by Marcus on July 06, 2008,06:21 in the Miscellaneous forum You think that the Supreme Court will stop them? Yes justice is very slow and if you're high up (like Mr. Cheney) justice doesn't move at all. Look at Abu Ghraib, all the little people were charged, such as privates and sergeants (as they should be) but hardly any highly ranking officers or members... Thread Views: 960 , Thread Replies: 72 Why do atheists discuss religion? Posted by Jon on July 06, 2008,05:47 in the Religion forum Brilliant, I love the kiddies toy experiment. So I wonder if my parents gave me the "moderate punishment". I knew I wasn't supposed to not believe in god because my parents were Christian. But, they gave me a good education (which inevitably leads to the conflict of truths). I wasn't getting... Thread Views: 1,152 , Thread Replies: 109 Some light entertainment Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,05:35 in the Miscellaneous forum OK - here is a little riddle that may offer some light entertainment/a break from the heavy topics. A man is walking along a path through a forest. It becomes very dark (nighttime, for want of a better word ;)), and he realises in the morning he has gotten himself completely lost. He doesn't... Thread Views: 19 , Thread Replies: 1 Why do atheists discuss religion? Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,05:24 in the Religion forum See the link I posted in my reply to Rune ;) That may be a starter for ten. If not, i'll quote some Freud (and others) if you want. (As an aside, I have a riddle I'll post in the miscellaneous section that will get the old grey matter going ;)) Thread Views: 1,152 , Thread Replies: 109 Why do atheists discuss religion? Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,05:20 in the Religion forum Surely you would have to ask yourself why people may attempt to hold an untruth within their mind? Or you mean they are simply unaware that their belief is false? Isn't this what I said in the previous post?! Are you aware of cognitive dissonance? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance Have... Thread Views: 1,152 , Thread Replies: 109 Why do atheists discuss religion? Posted by Jon on July 06, 2008,05:15 in the Religion forum I hope you don't mind me jumping in, but when I held my belief in a god, I also knew that the things that were claimed of this god could not be possible (or just lacked reliable evidence). However, I did not seem to hold both these bits of information in the same part of my brain, I always had to move... Thread Views: 1,152 , Thread Replies: 109 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,05:14 in the Miscellaneous forum OK - so do you mean 'belief' in the sense of 'viewpoint held', (since many belief systems across the world do actually seem to be working, and the conflict usually arises when these belief systems encounter each other)? I think it depends on what you mean by 'will work' and what you mean by 'belief'. I'm... Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,05:06 in the Miscellaneous forum Sorry?! Let me re-address the issue tomorrow. It's late here. Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by Jon on July 06, 2008,05:01 in the Miscellaneous forum Are you trying to teach us all philosophy? Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by Jon on July 06, 2008,04:59 in the Miscellaneous forum Isn't this a misuse of the word belief? Should I say instead that I don't have belief in a faith system? Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 Why do atheists discuss religion? Posted by Rune Nyrup on July 06, 2008,04:53 in the Religion forum Erh... Might be lost in negation but... I think they are not awareness that their belief is false. They believe it to be true, but it's not. In other words: They believe that Gods exists but that is not true. Hence they have an untrue, that is a false belief. As I said (I realise I missed a "not"... Thread Views: 1,152 , Thread Replies: 109 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,04:46 in the Miscellaneous forum But it is a belief - it is a belief that not holding a belief system will yield far more positive results than holding a belief system will. This in essence makes it a belief system, as one has to comply with the belief that no belief is the most effective belief to have. In turn, you have just... Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 Why do atheists discuss religion? Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,04:43 in the Religion forum We seem to agree on something. Maybe ;) So you think they are simply lacking in awareness that their belief may not in actual fact be false? I'll write some words on the nature of the psychological make-up of having a belief in a God if you wish (that is, as current psychological insight... Thread Views: 1,152 , Thread Replies: 109 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by Jon on July 06, 2008,04:42 in the Miscellaneous forum So it's relative? You don't care if you are Christian, atheist, Muslim, Jewish...? I contend that only one belief system will work - and that is atheism. I don't think that is a relative statement: I thought I wanted a Christian state, but now I see that was wrong, not that it was just different.... Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 Why do atheists discuss religion? Posted by Rune Nyrup on July 06, 2008,04:35 in the Religion forum I agree and it puzzles me a bit. I generally experience my English to be quite good. I think the problem may lie in our deeper background assumptions. Do I comprehend you correctly here? I don't think that the person believing in God believes so because that belief is false, neither consciously of subconsciously.... Thread Views: 1,152 , Thread Replies: 109 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,04:32 in the Miscellaneous forum I realise this Gordon, but i'm trying to create a readable line with regards to the thread to give actual examples of each point made in the OP before I am asked for evidence in each case! Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by duinoelegy on July 06, 2008,04:30 in the Miscellaneous forum Could the problem of democracy therefore be considered the suppression of the expression of violence? Is this why democracy feels the need to spread, as the nature of converting a non-democratic nation into a democratic one would be violent, and this would satisfy the inherent need for violence... Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101 The Nature of “Terrorism” Posted by GordonHide on July 06, 2008,04:29 in the Miscellaneous forum Agreed, but this is in the OP. Agreed, but again this is in the OP Well of course we don't have an agreed definition but I don't think any form of violence has gravitated from non-governmental groups to states or vice versa. Perhaps it's just that small groups are more noticeable now because their... Thread Views: 1,401 , Thread Replies: 101

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