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Frontpage Updated: May 9th, 2008 - 15:32:07 From multiculturalism to multifaithism News : Europe  -  Max Dunbar on May 9, 2008, 15:29 The report, entitled ‘Faith in the state? Asian women’s struggles for human rights in the UK,’ discusses the government’s approach to religion since 9/11 Read more...   Taxpayers' sacrifice to the churches News : World  -  The Age on May 9, 2008, 15:24 It is quite immoral for taxes to be extracted compulsorily from citizens to subsidise extensive concessions for religious bodies. Read more...   Churchgoing on its knees as Christianity falls out of favour News : U.S.  -  The TimesOnLine on May 9, 2008, 15:21 Church attendance in Britain is declining so fast that the number of regular churchgoers will be fewer than those attending mosques within a generation Read more...   Spanish Government announces plans to promote religious freedom News : Europe  -  TypicallySpanish.com on May 9, 2008, 15:18 The Deputy Prime Minister gave the Government's plans to the Constitional Commission in Congress yesterday. Read more...   Islam isn't Islamism News : Europe  -  Guardian Unlimited - Comment is free on May 9, 2008, 15:14 Atheist writer Sam Harris' inability to draw a line between Islam and Islamism hurts the very project he claims to support. Read more...   Losing faith in modern America News : U.S.  -  The New Zealand Herald on May 9, 2008, 15:10 Growing up in what remains the most religious country in the West, Dan Barker, a former evangelical minister and one of the most prominent and politically active atheists in America today, possesses a unique story of "deconversion". Read more...   More Headlines Comic Latest Forum Posts The New Crusades: History's Persistent Repetition Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,17:51 in the Religion forum Dawkins is an authority after all... http://www.muskingum.edu/~psych/psyc...ry/dawkins.htm The concept that love, empathy, or compassion rose from a stew of chemicals is the biggest gobbledygook of all time. Thread Views: 651 , Thread Replies: 71 Medical Science Hasn't Surpassed Jesus Posted by LarsP on May 09, 2008,17:33 in the Science & Origins forum Hmm (know I'm by far no expert on the subject) but what about domestic pigs? I seem to recall them having more ribs than wild boars!? Lars. Thread Views: 1,386 , Thread Replies: 136 Medical Science Hasn't Surpassed Jesus Posted by Xaignar on May 09, 2008,17:21 in the Science & Origins forum Well I really have to ask what you mean by this. What does it mean to "modify a family or class level animal" or to "demonstrate mutation". All animals (indeed all living organisms) are members of both families and classes under the Linnaean system, but you seem to be implying that... Thread Views: 1,386 , Thread Replies: 136 Medical Science Hasn't Surpassed Jesus Posted by On it on May 09, 2008,17:15 in the Science & Origins forum Right - and as for the other question? "Even if you believed it could have, I'm thinking you would still basically believe what you believe now regarding Jesus and creation. Is that fair to say?" Thread Views: 1,386 , Thread Replies: 136 Medical Science Hasn't Surpassed Jesus Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,17:13 in the Science & Origins forum As I've stated before, science needs to demonstrate two things. 1) animate inorganic matter. 2) Genetically modify a family or class level animal and demonstrate mutation. In other words, prove it. Quit this national geographic explorer CGI cartoon garbage and open the lab to demonstrate creating... Thread Views: 1,386 , Thread Replies: 136 The New Crusades: History's Persistent Repetition Posted by Xaignar on May 09, 2008,17:13 in the Religion forum Well, I certainly look forward to seeing you demonstrate that cognition is an "illusion created by chemical and electrical impulses of the brain". On the contrary, and as suggested by both modern cognitive science and philosophy of mind, the mind seems to be a product of the body, rather than... Thread Views: 651 , Thread Replies: 71 The New Crusades: History's Persistent Repetition Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,17:00 in the Religion forum Well, you hit the nail right on the head! :) A purpose must have intention set up as an object or end to be attained. Intention demands someone to intend and a set of instructions to carry it out. Meaning carries the weight of significance, or to be significant. If something or someone is significant,... Thread Views: 651 , Thread Replies: 71 The 3 Greatest Lies Ever Conceived Posted by Kabe Dunmord on May 09, 2008,16:41 in the Religion forum We'll pray for you. Thread Views: 207 , Thread Replies: 25 The New Crusades: History's Persistent Repetition Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,16:35 in the Religion forum Let me quote Dawkins as a reference for existence: Now... If your highlighted statement is true, and all life came into being by some chain reaction of events that possess, "..no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.." , then the "purpose"... Thread Views: 651 , Thread Replies: 71 The New Crusades: History's Persistent Repetition Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,16:04 in the Religion forum I'm not so sure about that... Love is a misfiring in your brain. Ignore it and replicate DNA. Thread Views: 651 , Thread Replies: 71 Pascal's Wager Posted by steenkh on May 09, 2008,15:44 in the Religion forum Nice try, newcomer, but I think you will find that rational arguments will not convince FrancisX! Welcome! Thread Views: 4,261 , Thread Replies: 322 Medical Science Hasn't Surpassed Jesus Posted by On it on May 09, 2008,15:43 in the Science & Origins forum Speaking as a layman, I wouldn't say the atheists around here state that they 'know it' overmuch. Science does not have all the answers and they do know that. Question for you Missionary: what would scientists have to do to convince you that life could have come about from non-life naturally? Even if... Thread Views: 1,386 , Thread Replies: 136 Pascal's Wager Posted by wannywan on May 09, 2008,15:40 in the Religion forum Okay, where to start on this... Pascal's wager doesn't seem to take into account that there are many different deities that people worship. For example, just say you erroneously believe in the Christian deity, and Allah is the 'real' god, then you go to hell. Just say you believe in the Hindu... Thread Views: 4,261 , Thread Replies: 322 New Scientist: 24 Evolution Myths and Misconceptions Posted by steenkh on May 09, 2008,15:39 in the Science & Origins forum There is nothing in the world that is 100% certain, as you very well know. Everybody knows that new facts could emerge that would topple a previously accepted scientific fact, but it would be impractical to state this over and over again. Your demand has nothing to do with Honesty, integrity, and... Thread Views: 875 , Thread Replies: 83 The 3 Greatest Lies Ever Conceived Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,15:39 in the Religion forum That is true. I do enjoy a lively discussion. I even enjoy debate and proposing arguments. But when it comes to successfully arguing a conversion, that is an impossibility according to the bible. So, proclaiming is all I can do. Thread Views: 207 , Thread Replies: 25 The 3 Greatest Lies Ever Conceived Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,15:35 in the Religion forum No, no....don't get hung up on semantics or assume what isn't there. There is no partiality. God doesn't have "cronies". The pardon is based on the governors benevolent mercy upon all citizens of the state. The criteria is addressing the governor, pleading guilty, requesting pardon. The... Thread Views: 207 , Thread Replies: 25 Medical Science Hasn't Surpassed Jesus Posted by steenkh on May 09, 2008,15:31 in the Science & Origins forum Who is waving his arms hysterically? Abiogenesis is not a proven theory and everybody knows that, but it is the best hypothesis there exists (in the sense that it fits snugly into existing physics). Since you have no better hypothesis to come up with, you should stop the arm-waving and the sermons. Thread Views: 1,386 , Thread Replies: 136 New Scientist: 24 Evolution Myths and Misconceptions Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,15:29 in the Science & Origins forum 100% certainty within science would be highly difficult to achieve simply because it would require omniscience of all evidence. However, why settle for 75% and claim it to be fact? Why not just say with honesty and transparency, "We're 75% certain"? That was my entire point of the 100%... Thread Views: 875 , Thread Replies: 83 Medical Science Hasn't Surpassed Jesus Posted by Missionary on May 09, 2008,15:22 in the Science & Origins forum That is precisely my argument; "Have a little respect for the tenacity of our scientists who are trying,". My argument is wait. Don't jump to conclusions or throw up your arms and say, well...it's close enough. Why not just admit, we don't know yet but we're still working on it. All the evidence... Thread Views: 1,386 , Thread Replies: 136 The 3 Greatest Lies Ever Conceived Posted by steenkh on May 09, 2008,15:21 in the Religion forum It seems so. And it is getting rather monotonous. In the beginning I read his Bible quotes, because I thought there was some point there, but now I skip them, and it seems that I am not missing anything. Thread Views: 207 , Thread Replies: 25

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