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Frontpage Updated: Jan 27th, 2012 - 11:25:01 Ruminations of a Buddhist SomethingOrOther News : U.S.  -  Patheos on Jan 27, 2012, 11:05 She wondered if I might explain how I find being a Buddhist and an Atheist to be compatible. Read more...   Philosophy — What’s the Use? News : U.S.  -  The New York Times on Jan 27, 2012, 10:59 There is body of philosophical knowledge on which non-philosophers can and should rely. Read more...   Radcliffe wants to visit Indian ghost town News : World  -  The Times Of India on Jan 27, 2012, 10:56 Asked if he believes in ghosts, Radcliffe said: "I am an atheist and that means I look for logic and not just blindly believe in things that I see happening around me." Read more...   One Christian�s perspective on separation of church and state News : U.S.  -  Courier News on Jan 27, 2012, 10:52 The only way to make a loving Christian nation is one heart at a time and not by a government involvement, endorsement or decree. Read more...   Atheist leader encourages non-believers to unite News : U.S.  -  Daily Targum on Jan 27, 2012, 10:43 "We are going to have a secular Woodstock," Silverman said. "This will be a life-changing event that you will remember forever." Read more...   Richard Dawkins: morals are not from religion, but enlightened secular values News : World  -  Christian Today on Jan 27, 2012, 10:40 Morals aren't begotten from religion, but secular moral philosophy, jurisprudence and dinner table conversation, renowned atheist Richard Dawkins recently argued at the Jaipur Literature Festival in India. Read more...   Atheist Temple: Nonbelievers To Get Place Of 'Worship' In UK ?? News : U.S.  -  The Huffington Post on Jan 27, 2012, 10:38 Author Alain de Botton announced plans to build an Atheist temple in the U.K Read more...   Secular Student Alliance opened for all News : U.S.  -  University of Southern Indiana - The Shield on Jan 27, 2012, 10:35 The Secular Student Alliance is one of the few clubs on campus pertaining to religion that is not Christian based. Read more...   Don't B-SHOCked: Settlement Shows Public Schools Can't Proselytize News : U.S.  -  The American Civil Liberties Union on Jan 27, 2012, 10:32 A federal judge signed and entered a consent decree and order today in the ACLU's case challenging widespread and pervasive religious practices in South Carolina’s Chesterfield County School District. Read more...   Fighting back against Obama’s divide-and-conquer approach News : World  -  The Catholic Register on Jan 27, 2012, 10:27 Catholics see equal treatment of employees as an attack on freedom of religion. Read more...   More Headlines Comic Latest Forum Posts Logical Proof of God's Existence Posted by bowmore on January 28, 2012,09:35 in the Philosophy forum No, in the latter case we know how the observation of the 9 others is hampered (by the walls blocking the incoming light). What do you think prevents the people trying to reanimate from seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (or even the tunnel)? Sure, the dying brain produces the same experience.... Thread Views: 8,034 , Thread Replies: 235 Logical Proof of God's Existence Posted by steenkh on January 28, 2012,09:32 in the Philosophy forum And they probably do not. They can have the experience right before their brain is shut off, or right after it was turned on again. The only way to prove that they had any experience when their brain was shut off, would be for them to know something that happened during that period, and which they could... Thread Views: 8,034 , Thread Replies: 235 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by steenkh on January 28, 2012,09:27 in the Philosophy forum I have no idea if the singularity existed eternally or was caused. Your argument was that the Big Bang theory told that the universe was caused, and I pointed out that this is not the case. Besides, the God theory is unfalsifiable: even if science could show that the universe had existed eternally, the... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by bowmore on January 28, 2012,09:15 in the Philosophy forum You either believe or you don't, I think. I think it's fairly easy to check : do you base any of your decisions on the claims of theists? I pointed out the dfference in practical application. That you think weak atheists are being disingenuous seems to originate from your straw man, not from their actual... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Logical Proof of God's Existence Posted by MinorPositive on January 28, 2012,09:11 in the Philosophy forum It's hilarious how you completely fail to understand the difference. Thread Views: 8,034 , Thread Replies: 235 Logical Proof of God's Existence Posted by 1dave1 on January 28, 2012,09:08 in the Philosophy forum But the people trying to reanimate him were not having near death experiences. 10 people are in a room and one of them is looking thru a telescope and having the galaxy experience. The other 9 people don't see a galaxy. So: internal cause. And the near death experience IS verified by other observers.... Thread Views: 8,034 , Thread Replies: 235 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by steenkh on January 28, 2012,08:24 in the Philosophy forum What does "I don't believe mean?" Is it 100% certainty? 99,9% certainty? At what point do you go from lack of belief to belief? Yep. How do think we found it? Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by Jerrimiah on January 28, 2012,07:41 in the Philosophy forum So if I put myself at 50% of belief, do I believe or not in your eyes? There is a difference between the positions, but not in the practical application., I think the weak atheists arebeing disingenuous in how they present their position. I have never come across a weak atheist who proposes... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by Jerrimiah on January 28, 2012,04:47 in the Philosophy forum No, you got me. You would have been perfect for the Spanish inquisition. I’m not sure if you’re backtracking or have a warped perspective of universes. Your logic makes no sense. You use the basis that “our universe” can observed, then change the definition of the universe to “all that... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by Jerrimiah on January 28, 2012,04:42 in the Philosophy forum Exactly, so did the singularity exist eternally? Or was it caused? If it existed, what changed within it to expand at such a rate to create our universe (and time). Note the term “changed” infers a time based event. Caused requires something beyond what we may be able to prove. The laws of nature... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by Jerrimiah on January 28, 2012,04:38 in the Philosophy forum Ok, we’ve exhausted that one. If you think that we have the same view on this, I would be surprised. As such grouping as both together as weak atheists would not be beneficial to the label at all. Firstly, it makes no sense based on the traditional use of the word “atheist” to define yourself as... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by Jerrimiah on January 28, 2012,04:30 in the Philosophy forum If that’s the case why do weak atheists present their case with the “I believe you’re wrong” approach. For example, comparing leprechauns’ existence to the same as a god, is not the same as saying “I don’t believe” or “I lack belief”. Weak atheists proposing this undermines their apparently 'weak' position. I... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by daughterofkarl on January 27, 2012,20:16 in the Philosophy forum I don't see why this is an issue. We don't call our galaxy "galaxy" and all other galaxies, as a group, "Galaxy." If there should turn out to be other universes, I fail to see why we would need to do so in their case. I think you are overcomplicating the issue, but then you seem... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by bowmore on January 27, 2012,18:38 in the Philosophy forum "Existence requires something beyond what we know" Means that what is required falls beyond the scope of our knowledge. "Existence requires something other than and apart from itself that is beyond what we know" Means that what is required falls beyond the scope of reality. Those... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by genkaus on January 27, 2012,16:01 in the Philosophy forum Not yet. Someday, hopefully. Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 What evidence might count... Posted by Marc Lund on January 27, 2012,14:55 in the Religion forum Really? Nothing at all?? That does explain why you are not ready to dismiss ID. :p Thread Views: 295 , Thread Replies: 19 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by Crunchy on January 27, 2012,14:51 in the Philosophy forum Many words define things that do not exist. See "leprechaun" for instance. You can claim to be a leprechaun but you aren't one just because a definition exists. However, you did not address the argument so your bald assertion that weak atheists and agnostics are not at all the same is unsupported. Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by steenkh on January 27, 2012,13:23 in the Philosophy forum While "ourverse" is very apt, do you think it is readily understood? Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by genkaus on January 27, 2012,12:24 in the Philosophy forum I read somewhere that we can call our universe simply "universe" and the totality of all universes as "Universe". Personally, I prefer to call our universe as "ourverse", any one of the other universes as "otherverse", totality of all universes except ours... Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126 Difference between strong and weak atheist Posted by steenkh on January 27, 2012,10:01 in the Philosophy forum You are right, of course. But the problem of terminology is real: what should we call the other universes if we reserve the word to the totality of all things? And likewise, what should we call the totality if universe can mean something less? Thread Views: 1,514 , Thread Replies: 126

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